With the media in full swoon over the wealth of pictures the Magic Negro is providing (and as we all know pictures are ever-so-preferable to actual ideas) it’s no wonder scant attention has been paid to the fact that he’s changed preachers in midstream.
“Pastor snags Obama, McCain for joint appearance
(CNN) — Democratic Sen. Barack Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain in August will be on the same stage for the first time in the 2008 presidential campaign.
The Rev. Rick Warren has invited them to appear at a leadership and compassion forum in his Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California, on August 16. Warren, the author of the best-selling book “The Purpose Driven Life” spoke with CNN’s Wolf Blitzer by phone Tuesday from Sao Paulo, Brazil.
BLITZER: Pastor Warren, how did you do it? How did you convince both of them to show up?
PASTOR RICK WARREN, SADDLEBACK CHURCH: Well, Wolf, they’ve both been friends for a long time. I knew both John and Barack before either of them decided to run for office, had talked with them. Both of them have helped me in the past with our peace plan and with — they’ve sent messages to Saddleback at some of our conferences.
And so I just thought let’s — you know, I might be the guy to get them together. So, I called them up and said, let’s do it. And they said, well, we’ll do it if you be the only questioner, if you don’t have a forum, don’t have a panel. And if you’ll ask all the questions, then we’ll do it.
BLITZER: But they’re not going to be together. They’re going to be separate. These are going to be Pastor Warren and Barack Obama followed by Pastor Warren and John McCain. But there’s not going to be any interchange between the two of them, is that right?
WARREN: Yes. I’m going to — my plan is to bring them out on stage together at the beginning or at the end. But what I want to do is I want to let each of them talk without interrupting each other. And it’s not a debate format.
There will be plenty of time for debates. What I want to do is get people to know the real person like I know them without a time barrier and a buzzer and a time for rebuttal. Let them just speak what they need to say.
BLITZER: The last time we spoke was right after you invited Barack Obama when he was still running for the Democratic presidential nomination. You got some criticism from a few fellow evangelicals out there. You called him in the interview with me an amazing, an amazing man, Barack Obama. Could you see yourself supporting him for president?
WARREN: Well, I don’t support anybody for president publicly. I never endorse. I never campaign.
You know, as a pastor, I don’t really think that’s my role. I have to shepherd both sides of the flock. And I have a church full of Democrats and a church full of Republicans and a church full of independents.
So, I think they’re both amazing men. I’ve known them for a long time. They’re both very, very different.
They have both different theories of government, different theories of leadership, different approaches to life. And I — what I do is I think, because I know them, I think I can set up an environment that people can actually say, oh, so that’s what that guy’s really like. And I think I can do that for both John and for Barack.”
“Well,” as Dana Carvey’s immortal Church Lady would say “Isn’t that special?”
For those of you just joining the part of the 21st Century, Rick Warren is a Baptist Fundie who has achieved fame and fortune by wedding “Motivational Speaker” techniques to That Ol’ Time Religion. His best-selling “The Purpose-Driven Life” is a kind of “Stop the Insanity” for those anxious to lose moral weight in their ceasless quest for narcissistic self-indulgence that’s approved by That Big Invisible Bi-Polar Daddy Who Lives in the Sky.
“But,” you ask, “Is it good for the Jews or bad for the Jews?” Wendy Kaminer of The Nation wonders too.:
“What sort of leadership might Warren provide? He disassociates himself from the religious right, noting that he shares its position on social issues but doesn’t want to focus on them. He focuses on poverty, disease and aid to Africa. But if Warren is part of a ‘new leadership cohort,’ as New York Times columnist David Brooks suggests, he sometimes sounds like a member of the old one. Lamenting the ‘tyranny of activist judges,’ who obstruct the will of the majority, he evinces no understanding of minority rights or the judiciary’s role in enforcing them. Explaining his views about homosexuality and gay rights, he notes, ‘I don’t think that homosexuality is the worst sin,” and, “By the way, my wife and I had dinner at a gay couple’s home two weeks ago. So I’m not [a] homophobic guy, okay?’ “
Doncha just love the “okay?”
So what’s going on? Well the LBGT communities are getting thrown under the bus, that’s what’s going on. For even as the Fundies have become disenchanted with the Republicans, the Democrats have come a courtin’ — stomping on their base in the process. Is Reverend Rick the key to the DemFundie? Looks like. But it also looks (to quote the immortal Foghorn Leghorn) like he’s about as sharp as a pound of wet liver. For none other than Larry King — YES LARRY KING (!) — takes him down in nothing flat
“KING: I’m going to hopscotch a lot of issues with Rick Warren. Back to AIDS and the gay community, you know there are some gay activists who are wary of this sudden evangelical interest in AIDS is the desire to change their sexual preference.
KING: Is it?
WARREN: You know, I actually invited one of the…
KING: It seems hard to do.
WARREN: …one of the co-founders of Act Up, actually invited him and paid his way to come to the conference. And, I said, “I want you to just check this out.” He’s not a Christian. I said, “Just come and check us out because I think we deserve the skepticism” and I think he heard me say it’s not a sin to be sick.
Now people ask me all the time what do you think about homosexuality, OK? Well, I don’t approach it — I approach it like this. When you look at a female body and you look at a male body it seems that naturally certain parts go together.
KING: It seems that way, therefore how do you explain why someone is homosexual?
WARREN: I don’t explain it. I don’t explain it.
KING: Well, then that doesn’t suffice.
WARREN: Well, and…
KING: Do you know why women, why you like women, just because the body is shaped differently?
WARREN: Oh, no, I’m sure I know why I like women.
KING: You do?
WARREN: I think — I think I was wired by God to like women. I think they…
KING: So, what did he do to the gay person, God?
WARREN: I don’t know that God did that. I really don’t.
KING: You mean he did it to you but he didn’t do it to them?
WARREN: You know, Larry, we all have instincts and we all have urges and we all have desires. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I fulfill all of them. In other words, as a heterosexual man I might desire to have sex with 100 women. That doesn’t mean I do it because that wouldn’t be the right thing.
KING: All right, but if you desire another man and you’re a man and you’re an adult, who are you harming if the two of you agree and it’s your life?
KING: It’s not Rick Warren’s life or Larry King’s life. It’s their life.
WARREN: Well, again, I would just say I think to me the issue is, is it natural? Is it the natural thing? I mean here’s an interesting thing I have to ask. How can you believe in Darwin’s theory of evolution and homosexuality at the same time? Now think about this.
If Darwin was right, which is survival of the fittest then homosexuality would be a recessive gene because it doesn’t reproduce and you would think that over thousands of years that homosexuality would work itself out of the gene pool.
KING: So, we take the reverse. The creator then approves of it.
WARREN: Well, I believe…
KING: Darwin’s wrong. The creator is right. Gays are right.
WARREN: Yes well, of course, I believe that God created one man for one woman for life. A lot of the problems — as a pastor I’ve notice that when God gives certain rules they’re really for our benefit. They’re not because God’s capricious or just “I think that I’m going to make your life miserable.”
I think they’re always for our benefit and when I do certain things God’s way I have fewer broken hearts. I have less STDs. I have — and I’m not just talking about sex. I’m talking about if I followed God’s will about the right things about eating, I wouldn’t be fat and overweight. I wouldn’t, you know, and I — people say well there are lots of sins. Of course there are. And to me the greatest sin is pride. The Bible tells us that pride is what Satan got kicked out of heaven and so we’re all in the same boat.”
“Gay Row – U.S. Pastor Supports Country On Boycott
The Monitor (Kampala)
29 March 2008
Posted to the web 28 March 2008
By Evelyn Lirri
FAMED American pastor, Dr Rick Warren has said he supports the decision by Ugandan bishops to boycott the forthcoming Lamebth conference in England, United Kingdom.
The conference brings together Bishops of the Anglican Communion from all 38 Provinces of the Communion every 10 years.
“The Church of England is wrong and I support the Church of Uganda(CoU) on the boycott,”Dr Warren said on Thursday shortly after arriving in Uganda.
The Bishops are protesting the Church of England’s tolerance a homosexuality. Announcing the boycott in February, Archbishop Henry Luke Orombi said that Uganda’s action had been prompted by the invitation of bishops of The US Episcopal Church (TEC) who in 2003 elected as bishop, Gene Robinson, a divorced man living in an active homosexual relationship.
Rev. Orombi said the Archbishops of all the 38 Provinces of the Anglican Communion strongly opposed the election of Gene Robinson as bishop – and in a meeting shortly after the election “warned that, if they proceeded with the consecration, their action would “tear the fabric of the Anglican Communion at its deepest level.”
Dr Warren said that homosexuality is not a natural way of life and thus not a human right. “We shall not tolerate this aspect at all,” Dr Warren said.”
And We shall not tolerate Rick Warren — or his Democratic party enablers — at all either.